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June 16 consciousness and science

On consciousness and science

Excerpts from the shownotes of the Just Be it blog talk radio show

On consciousness unlimited blog talk radio on June 16

In the last 2 episodes I discussed science and God, discussing the limiting view of materialistic science which is still widely teached in uni and schools and focusing, limiting because they do still leave the idea of God out of their equations.  We also looked into some key findings of modern science in quantum physics.

Please also do write to me. I love to hear what you liked and what you want to me discuss in this show..you can contact me at justbeit13@googlemail.com.
So ultimately we cannot with our mind grasp the idea of the Absolute consciousness.
But something in us, the Divine Being we are, will resonate to the information, and concepts I am discussing today from science, especially QP. So my intention is that this will be a contribution to preparing you to move beyond these concepts into a deeper realization of who you are.

It was Albert Einstein who spoke about the relationship of matter, space and time, the interdependency of each other. It was quantum physics who added another important component : the observer, meaning consciousness, a sentient being.

Let me take a brief moment to recapture 2 key findings of Quantum physics which relate to the discussion of consciousness. You can find more information about that in my previous episodes and on my blog. However as Einstein said, a lot of theory nothing has come close yet to the Old Man (meaning God)..however if we look at the Absolute consciousness, the ultimate Beingness as God and the key findings of QM we might come closer to the Old Man.
The observer, consciousness
Quantum Physics tells us in the famous double slit experiment the following:
The smallest part of something, we call quantum  in form as photons (smallest quantum of light) or in form of  electrons are not really particles of matter. They are a field of potential, a field of pure vibration. When this field is observed by us, measured so to speak, all these wave like qualities collapse into a particle.. All this has been proven mathematically but cannot be demonstrated visually. Keep in mind that the words quantum, electrons and so on are just analogies.

The idea of non locality proven in an QP experiment (which I will speak about more detail later in this episode) might point to an Absolute which encompasses All that is.

It is modern scientist and thinkers who brought the idea of consciousness into this discussion.

Dr. David Yurth, is a cientist writer and Phd in the field of cosmology says:
There is no such thing as objective science. We cannot separate the observer and the means of observation from that which is observed PAUSE because Consciousness is embedded in the process.”

Classical physics investigates the relationship of one thing to another. However it never asked for the intrinsic nature of that it does observe. It actually looks just at the effect of something from the outside By Looking from the outside In.
Of course science will never find see consciousness as a fundamental property or force.

This reductionist view of science was also critized by Heisenberg and Max Planck., the founding fathers of Quantum physics. Both of them felt that religious and science can work together said Max Planck and Heisenberg expressed that the discoveries they made in demands for a holistic view, a metaphysical discussion.

However  in Buddhism and in the scripture of the Upanishads of ancient India, in Taoism, it is very much part of their philosophy.

Whatever appears, like the stars and planets in the sky,
is the display of the self-appearing attributes of intrinsic awareness
in the vast expanse of ultimate nature.
says Sogpo Tentar, a Tibetan Rinpoche.

So what is this intrinsic awareness, this consciousness?
If we look at the definitions of lexica or science we speak of a the quality of being aware, of something within oneself, or the ability to imagine in oneself something of future actions.
However all this can also be done by a machine. The various definitions of consciousness by science allow for a lot of speculation, especially in brain research.
I use consciousness is in the context of the old scripture of the Vedic seers, the Upanishads, which hold the Vedanta, the end of the sacred knowledge (sacred knowledge meaning veda).
The word Upanishads means sitting close to the feet…these were carefully passed on oral teachings, the oldest about 1.500 years ago. They are based on sharing of seers, who were able to consciously connect to that pure consciousness, which they called the Brahman.

One of the statements made in the Upanishads is the Brahman, the Absolute is consciousness.
A consciousness which reflects on itself.
And Shankara the famous teacher says in his famous to the Upanishads, that Brahman cannot be described, because description implies distinction. Yet the Brahman cannot be distinguished because it is ALL THAT IS.

The non local experiment, or also called entanglement theory in Quantum physics.
It is the experiment by the French physicist Alain Aspects and called the Aspect experiment.
What happens in this experiment is that an atom emits two photons meaning quanta of light going opposite ways each in a far distance from each other. ,  (so they were entangled which is why we also speak about entanglement experiment)   Yet these 2  photons affect one another’s state  without exchanging any signals through space.  Instantaneously they are affecting each other.

The influence is immediate so it does not travel by the speed of light. Therefore it could not have traveled through space. Instead the influence on each others states of the 2 photons must belong to a transcendent domain of reality.
This instant influence points in the view of many modern scientist like Dr. Fred Allan Wolf or Dr. Goswami  to the idea that there is as transcendent field, , a God’s self, a self reflecting being Indeed, for all we know, consciousness may be an intrinsic quality of the underlying reality of the entire universe.

Now let us look at the search of science to the question: what came first, consciousness or matter?
Science and especially brain research keeps looking in the wrong direction, as it does not see consciousness as the primary force. This understanding is still widely common, even though there are puzzled by the findings of  Quantum physics.

Science and especially brain research still asks the wrong: question: How does the material world—the world of space, time and matter—give rise to consciousness?  the non local experiement – I just described – shows however that space, time and matter fall from their absolute status, to be replaced by consciousness (the inner light) in the world of experience.

The question we should be asking is the exact opposite. How is that consciousness, which seems so non-material, can take on the material forms that we experience? How do space, time, color, sound, texture, substance, and the many other qualities that we associate with the material world, emerge in consciousness? What is the process of manifestation within the mind? These questions have been written by the physicist Peter Russell who was once working with Stephen Hawking.

Peter Russell also says and I quote:
“Instead of matter being primary, and the source of everything we know, including mind;consciousness becomes primary, and the source of everything, including matter, as we know it. For a second time, the universe has been turned inside out.

You can find more information Peter Russell and Dr. Goswami on my blog justbeittalk.wordpress.com

Let us turn back to ancient wisdom from India and quote from  the Mayavada Sutra says about consciousness

The Mayavada Sutra  is based on the vedic scriptures of the ancient seekers, as the sutra is an extensive commentary by Shankara on the 10 Upanishads teachings.

And it says:  Only The Absolute consciousness exists, everything else is Illusion.

 “. The absolute consciousness is the one and only Beingness, which is the One Base for all the diversity of Life itself. “

“And there is not really emptiness, everything is filled with the Absolute consciousness.”13.13

Although, Shankara cautions the reader to handle this material carefully and only if he has advanced from selfish and egoistical thought, , it does not free us from the responsibility to be a decent human being.
John Richardson says: consciousness is the very Nature of Being. And if consciousness is Its Nature, then dynamic self-reflection is Its Experience.

Now let us look at the The observer individual consciousness the Atman, the Divine in us individual consciousness.

Quantum physics  says : An observer’s looking is essential in order to manifest possibility into actuality, and so only when the observer looks, only then does the entire thing become manifest—including time. The observer collapses the vibrational field of possibility into matter, space and time.

Already in the 1930’s Sir James Jeans an English physicist and mathematician, teaching at Cambridge and Princeton university said: and I quote: 
If the physical world is not absolute,
the energetic forces we attribute to this world also may not be fundamental. In some sense they, too, may come from us!
How did that observer come in place:
Out of the Absolute, the Beingness thru self-reflection an conscious, sentient being arose and the entire universe came into being, matter..

Dr. Goswami says: The universe is self-aware, but it is self-aware through us. We are the meaning of the universe. In other words we are we are an aspect of the Absolute consciousness. And in a kind of strange way it needs us to manifest matter in our world. . It is thru this play und through us simply (created by the self-reflecting Absolute consciousness) that the God’s self can become aware of itself.

As Grandmother Pa’Ris’Sha says: The universe is in us, and we are the universe.
The scripture of the Upanishads expresses 4 main principles, the Vedanta:

tat tvam asi —  Thou art that
meaning our Inner Divine Being is identical with the Brahman the consciousness.

prajñânam brahma —  consciousness is Brahman

aham brahmâsmi —  I am Brahman

ayam âtmâ brahma — This self in you is Brahman.
Our inner divine self, the Atman, is identical with the Absolute consciousness.
The same and identical comes also across with the saying of Sri Ramakrishna

“Those who cannot find god in themselves will never find him outside of himself.
But those, who find him in the temple of his own soul, can see God also in the temple which the universe is. “

And again the words of mystics cut through all this coming from the experience with the Divine in and the Absolut around them. So the Spanish nun and Christian mystics Theresa of Avila had long and consistent visionary experience. . From there she spoke the words in ecstasy::

“Our bodies

are the leaves of God.

The apparent seasons of life and death our eyes can suffer;

but our souls, dear, I will just say this forthright: they are God Himself,

Meister Eckhart who also spoke from an experience of Samadhi, of immersing into pure consciousness, and who lived in the 1400 in Germany in a  Dominican order.:And he said

Every act reveals God and expands His being.
I know that may be hard to comprehend.
All creatures are doing their best
to help God in His birth of Himself.

I like to speak about some PRACTICAL IMPLICATIONS of all this.

The truth cannot be said, if it said it is not the trutz LaoTse .

So the mind who is seeking cannot really understand consciousness, it is really beyond its grasping. Whenever the mind hears something it has to refer to information, associations that have been collected and it assumes then a meaning on the base of that.

And I have shared many times ago many who had Samadhi, the immersion into pure consciousness were unable to describe it…only their poetry helped us to get a glimpse of what they had experienced.

As it is said before: the moment we want to describe it, we must make distinction, but the Absolute consciousness has not opposite….it is transcendent.

First we need to realize that  Quantum physics is just beginning of an understanding.

Second, that the mind cannot understand it, as it is in another state. And makes distinctions and association to what it already knows.

So as Paul Lowe says in this context it seems easy to give up family, jobs and matrial things when one is seeking, but to Giving up what you think you know and who you think you are, is much more challenging.  it won’t be realized only when we stop attempting To understand, says Paul Lowe.

Unless you leave your father, mother sister said Jesus Christ, you will not reach the kingdom of god. It is an analogy and means leave your attachment, your experience with them
Most of all we must empty ourselves, clear our emotions and become still.

or as Meister Eckhart the German Christan Mystics said 600 years ago so clearly:

“Since it is God’s nature not to be like anyone, we have to come to the state of being nothing in order to enter into the same nature that He is. [German sermon 7,)”

So is this here just another mind game. Not completely. Something in us, our own divine inner Being, the Atman resonates with the things we discuss here. The more we hear  these thoughts, the more we expand our own individual consciousness…It can support us eventually in our endeavor to be, to not know … and to then simply know the One.

I invite you to read and comprehend this words from your heart., they are from Eckhart Tolle, a man who had experienced pure consciousness and shares his wisdom nowadays with all who open to hear: And I quote
There are three words that convey the secret of the art of living, the secret of all success and happiness:
One with Life. Being one with life is being one with Now. You then realize that you don’t live your life, but life lives you. Life is the dancer and you are the dance.

The word enlightenment conjures up the idea of some
superhuman accomplishment, and the ego likes to keep
it that way, but it is simply your natural state of felt oneness  with Being.
It is a state of connectedness with something immeasurable and indestructible, something that, almost paradoxically, is essentially you and yet is much greater than you.
It is finding your true nature beyond name and form.”

Quantum physics also points to another important implication. We are co-creators and can create our own reality our Life. And after all these concepts lin the next episode look at some aspects how we do this and how we can consciously and actively create our Life. We are already doing it consciously or not.

I love to know what you think please write to me at justbeit13@googlemail.com

Always, always love yourself.

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